I understand the concern of a three corner fight which might dilute the chance of Pakatan in the next general election.
However, the possibility of establishing a third force is not to side with the other two forces (BN or Pakatan). We are not contesting in the next general election, not yet. But we must not discount this option in the future if the politicians continue to ignore us for pure power crave and self gratification.
When politicians from both sides collide, do they stop to listen to the people? Did BN listen to the people or are they still taking the 'we-know-best' attitude?
Did Pakatan listen to the people and embark on the reforms we wanted or the newly minted coalition is too focused on its ambition to capture Putrajaya and forget those who stood by the roadside watching, supporting and cheering their stride towards national power?
This third force role and responsibility is to ensure that the politicians and policy makers listen to us, the stakeholders. This country cannot be allowed to go on the way it is being run now.
We need to change. We cannot allow politicians to dictate all terms. Politicians cannot be fully entrusted to implement change or reform because any political power left on its own will not proactively surrender its power and influence through people centred reform.
Reforms in other societies were successful because of individuals who sacrificed their own freedom to mobilize the people through their messages and sacrifice e.g. Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, Dalai Lama and others.
Not any political party. Political party fights to retain and capture power and not to hand it to the people to decide and chart their own future.
As a way forward, we need to push the regime to implement a structure and all necessary processes to limit power and to ensure there is a proper check-and-balance mechanism. Only with the existence of a proper structure that we can stop power abuse and political arrogance.
It is unacceptable for any citizens or minority communities to suffer social abuse, negligence and economic deprivation in their own country. Alas, this is exactly what happened in Malaysia e.g. the Penans, Ibans, Kadazans, Orang Asli, the poor and powerless of all races.
These abuses must stop now if we do not want this country to go down the drain.
It is still not too late. Please sign up to join a Third Force for National Reform Facebook. We should unite to ensure that our voices are LOUD enough to be heard by the feuding politicians.
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The 3rd FORCE must not be helmed by a chinese or indian otherwise Perkosa + MM will work overtime to kill off the idea by racialisation that the country is in danger of ruled by foreigners,before you could sit down for a first meeting.IT MUST BE LED BY AN EAST MSIAN (Dayak/Melanau/Bajau/Penan etc) WHOM NOBODY CAN QUESTION HIS BIRTHRIGHT AS SON OF THE SOIL (BUMIPUTRA).That's the first hurdle.The 2nd is funding for activities-get help from sympathetic like-minded tycoons to bank roll the party with no balls squeezing later.Line up professionsls who knows his work to be in first line defence ready for firing squad from BN and maybe PR.Elegant silencers pls stay away from top party posts.Good luck.
"...limit power and to ensure there is a proper check-and-balance mechanism..."
You said it. We must strive to put the above in place and then who holds the reign of power become less (not not) important. Please please please remember that our greatest hope of that happening is still to put Pakatan in power for at least 1 term. Give them that chance. There is not even a tenth of a chance the corrupt UMNO/BN will do that.
I will join your facegroup now but with the condition you (we) do not muddy the pond for Pakatan for at least this coming general election.
Khoo,
Agree the penultimate is to have an independent 3rd force.But the time is not ripe!Stay focus on getting BN out! Lets not dilute the opposition voice.Also, there is not enough professionals in the political arena who will make personal sacrifices.
Dear Mr. Khoo,
U can start the ball rolling :). Declare ur intention to be an independant canditate for MP at the place of ur choice. Let the local community leader know of ur intention. If u get their endorsement, we can set up the election machinery. U will have the early advantage. All the others political party have not decided who will be their candidate yet. Set up a Voters Association for that place.Hopefully some people who support ur cause will be there to volunteers. Do you think this idea workable...?
In other words you are saying let BN rule for another one or two terms.
Why give BN the advantage?
I would suggest that the third force idea be put on hold until the 13th GE.
BN must be defeated first and then lets form a third force for the 14th GE.
To allow BN to win the 13th GE is to destroy the country beyond repair.
Why we come with 3rd force just because it works in Britian. It tooks more than 10 years for us to come with 2nd force and we are still not srong enough to oust the 1st force. I dont know how long will take for the 3rd force to emerge and build the strong case here. Let we make the 2nd force to pip the 1st force and then we can think about 3rd force. We like to be very rush and "gopoh" to get result. It's need some patience. All these individuals that you mentioned that successful in their reform, took many years to do that. Your are fighting with 1st force that has been holding the country like their own property and grip the nation like communist. Let we commit to oust this force out of Putrajaya and then we talk about 3rd force if needed then. Just waste of time to discuss about this now.
agreed with writers 8.37am and 3.21am, time not ripe for 3rd force. Why dilute PR's chances now for victory in next GE. The 1st step is to remove BN as the government then let the people get use to a 2 party system. See if there's any improvement,if not then a 3rd force is needed.
PR might not be prefect ,please be patient with them ,they have just in 2008 denied BN 2/3 majority in parliment. We do not expect miracles from them (PR) after 2 short years for they are handicapped by not being the Federal government. Adding a 3rd force now will definately spoilt PR's strategy of one-on-one fight.
Patient,young man.
I agree, why 3rd force now?
Work hard to kick Mamak Mahatir and UMNO-Baru to oblivion first then think of what's next!
The time to do it is now!
Don't miss this opportunity and don't get diverted!!!!
You are and all those who probagate for the 3rd force at this point of time seem to be me like BN trojan horses.
East Highlander
Third Force should be a separate independent MP's and citizen's group, but be friendly with ALL right minded candidates no matter what party they come from, as well as all who are willing to expose the wrongs they caused. 3rd Force should also be ready to SPECIFICALLY challenge any NEPOTISTIC or Conflict of Interest Fief Candidates for a start.
Eg. of MPs 3rd Force could be friendly to :
UMNO : Tengku Razaleigh has mentioned a need of a NEW DEAL. He is quite likely to offer the 3 items.
PAS : Tok Guru has slammed Bumiputera as APARTHEID, and does things on moderate Islamic principles (i.e. will not demand non-Muslims to live a Muslim lifestyle, he also has prevented NEPOTISM before.
PKR : Zaid looks good.
DAP : Kula Segaran looks good. Independent minded.
MCA : OTK and his faction.
Frog Independents : If they can agree with the proposed mission statement they can also immediately join in and advise of discussions, nominally heading the 3rd Force.
A Generalized Proposal for a Formative Mission Statement for 3rd Force :
(1) Third force members MUST declare all assets.
(2) Third Force MUST be willing to implement these selection criteria, and denounce Conflict of Interest practices. :
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30784597&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=318515515322&aid=-1&id=1194968379&oid=318515515322
(3) Third Force MUST be willing to and extrapolate on these and implement these NEPOTISM prohibitions :
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30815743&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=318515515322&aid=-1&id=1194968379&oid=318515515322
(4) Third Force MUST be willing to implement and extrapolate on these SEPARATION OF POWERS prohibitions / Ethical protections :
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=318515515322&topic=15416
(5) Third force must be willing to amend offending laws and people parasiting by-laws like :
a) Compensation for Rep's Kin - by Sunday Star - 18th APR 2010 (People Parasiting Law)
http://hi-in.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=318515515322&topic=13447
b) The Gambier Threat - Mid 2010
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/1378/gambier1.jpg
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=318515515322&topic=14724
c) Change FORCED MILITARY CONSCRIPTIONS to VOLUNTARY MILITARY CONSCRIPTIONS.
d) Be willing to dismantle Toll Concessions, Closed Tenders, redistribute monopolies on gambling operations licences.
e) remove Vehicular APs or similar parasite laws.
6) Implement the below :
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.
MORE ON ETHICS BELOW (with Khalid's choices and decisions where he is now as an example case) :
All readers and YB Khalid, here are some thoughts for you to ponder and assimilate :
Setting an example for healthy party culture by not challenging for VP post BECAUSE you are currently MB.
Challenging for VP BECAUSE the family fief is to be removed, though it is not fully necessary at this point.
Relinquishing the MB post so that you can challenge the VP's post is the best way to ensure separation of powers as being both MB and VP while desirable to any power hungry person, creates CONFLICT OF INTEREST, the same way holding MP's and Assemblyman's posts at the same time. This was the nature of UMNO for decades and created a power mad culture. It is best that each person be entitled to hold one of each post.
cont...
cont . . .
So to take Guan Eng for example, he is causing much conflict of interest by holding 5-6 posts (DAP Pres, CM Penang, MP for Bagan parliamentary seat and Assemblyman for Air Putih state seat, etc..) though if he also helf Directorships in Public Listed Companies, he'd be an even worse example.
Now if you Khalid are MB, you should not run for VP, so to choose between BUREAUCRACY and POLITICS to ensure separation of powers, should be a concern if you are an ethical statesman. Then who should sit in at Bureaucratic Posts then? Academics or people who have spent decades in civil service and within the below criteria :
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=30784597&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=318515515322&aid=-1&id=1194968379&oid=318515515322
What should the role of politicians be then? As society and people are not altruistic in nature as of yet (being 300 years into the industrial age), politicians are still needed to SPECIFICALLY highlight, ponder and formulate laws and constitutional amendments to address issues of :
Malicious Compliance
(1) http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/1378/gambier1.jpg
Laws That Steal Tax Monies
(2) http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=318515515322&topic=13447
Lots of people would serve as CM without a salary even, so please dismantle the 750K type laws wherever they can be found.
*AND* to whereever possible, rubberstamping things like RM15000 election deposits into RM15 deposits, so that the EVERYMAN can participate as a candidate *OR* ensuring that HUMAN RIGHTS are respected, as in by changing FORCED MILITARY CONSCRIPTIONS to *VOLUNTARY* Military Conscriptions, lowering taxes, finding better methods of wealth distribution, social freedoms, facilities to match citizen demands, ensuring and coordinating space for mutually exclusive demographics (Hudud districts for strict Muslims, Haram districts for non-Muslims, Libertarian districts for LGBT/Nudists/Adult Industry zones - am a fan of LKY in ONLY this/Soft-Organic-Drugs less dangerous than alcohol - etc..), ethical considerations, holistic and humane application and improvements to enforcement, etc..
It is not about 'POWER', but has sadly become so and requires much thoughtfulness if the people are to be administered wisely by CONSIDERATE and OPEN MINDED civil servants, not abusive and malicious TYRANTS and 'so-called' TOWERING MALAYSIANS.
*AND* ensuring the below 3 items in and propagating understanding in light of the fact that the wealth of the world/lands of the world belong to all Humanity and that a zero sum game via discriminatory legal systems.
This is the Logos of the matter, the Raison d'ĂȘtre for the existence of politicians who are SEPARATE from less creative but equally important Bureaucrats that society would fall apart without. One cannot be both without creating conflict of interest, with even further separating best applied against GLC or directorships public listed companies as well. Without holistic and tolerant mindsets, willing to engage with ALL and sundry, a sense of altruism and strong principles, society would not be bettered but placed in danger.
1) Freedom from Apartheid/Fascism
2) Freedom from Religious-Persecution/Religious-Supremacy.
3) Equality for all ethnicities and faiths in all aspects of policy, Law and Constitution.
Your concerned citizen :
AgreeToDisagree
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=318515515322
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